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Sunday 12 May 2024
Thursday 9 May 2024
Bonum Festum Ascensionis Domini
Christifidelibus lectoribus exopto./HGL
usque in diem, qua praecipiens Apostolis per Spiritum Sanctum, quos elegit, assumptus est
Actis Apostolorum, in capite 1mo verso 2ndo.
Monday 6 May 2024
Debate with Introibo
His original post, under which the debate took place:
Introibo Ad Altare Dei: Una Cum
Posted by Introibo Ad Altare Dei at 3:11 AM Monday, July 10, 2017
https://introiboadaltaredei2.blogspot.com/2017/07/una-cum.html
The debate:
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- July 10, 2017 at 7:32 AM
- I was under somewhat false pretenses lured into attending an SSPX Mass last Wednesday.
I knelt, because of the canon prayer and transsubstantiation and presence of Christ.
I also did NOT answer the prayers, like the Amen after Pater or Blessing.
- Anonymous
- July 10, 2017 at 12:58 PM
- If a valid priest/Bishop & the SSPX is all that is available,please attend that chapel regularly!
Its better than not going I promise you.
We are blessed to have a sede chapel that celebrates the pre-1950 rubrics,holy week,etc...
If the SSPX with a valid priest was all I had available,I would attend every week!
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- July 11, 2017 at 3:05 AM
- Pope Michael is against it.
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- July 11, 2017 at 3:08 AM
- LOL! You have a good sense of humor George!
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- July 13, 2017 at 6:39 AM
- Like Buster Keaton, often not intended on my part.
Like this time.
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- July 13, 2017 at 10:43 PM
- Well of course "Pope" Michael is against Una Cum, because he delusionally thinks HE is the pope and should be mentioned! Any one who thinks his mommy, daddy, two nice neighbors and Theresa Benns (the ersatz "theologian" who set up the farmhouse "conclave") can make him "pope" has serious issues, no matter how nice and well intentioned.
---Introibo
- Tom A.
- July 23, 2017 at 6:16 AM
- Anyone who thinks a bunch of heretics dressed up as Catholic cardinals can make someone a pope also has serious issues. While I am not a proponent of Michael being Pope, at least he was alledgedly elected by Catholics. We know that Bergolio was elected by modernists. So who's claim to the papacy is more valid?
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- July 23, 2017 at 6:56 AM
- Tom, I'd have to respectfully say neither has a claim on the papacy. The reasons for Bergoglio you mentioned. For David Bawden ("Pope" Michael) it takes more than six lay Catholics (three WOMEN among them) to make a "conclave" Yet I take your point--Bergoglio is completely unCatholic. An apostate elected by a group of heretics, each of whom was appointed by a heretic. Bawden may be whacky but he is closer to authentic Catholicism than Bergoglio. God bless, ---Introibo
- Tom A.
- July 23, 2017 at 6:56 PM
- Yes Bawden may be misguided, but at least he professs the Catholic faith. He also saw that the logical next step to sedevacantism is to elect a new Pope. Seeing how modernist imposters in Rome are incapable of electing a true Pope, the job falls on the remaining traditional bishops and clergy. I can sympathize with Bawden. Everyone complains about Rome yet no one gives the faithful a true Pope. Making a Pope is not a sacramental act. Its a legal action. In times of emergency, the law should not be used to tie mans hands for survival. The ultimate law is the salvation of souls so I would think the traditional bishops could take extraordinary steps to restablish order in the remnant of faithful left. What are they waiting for?
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- July 23, 2017 at 7:10 PM
- I share your frustration Tom. When the Shepard is struck, the sheep are scattered. You have correctly put your finger on the problem, and the problem goes deep. The "Una Cum" issue is just one example of division that keeps an imperfect general council from happening. SSPV won't attend with Thuc Bishops. Certain Thuc Bishops won't attend with Lefebvre bishops--who still don't accept sedevacantism. Still other bishops DON'T want a council because they are sedeprivationists, and are waiting for Bergoglio or his successor to have their "Saul into St. Paul" experience and become formally (not just materially) the pope. It is a mess.
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- August 10, 2017 at 7:27 AM
- OK, and thinking one can licitly consecrate bishops with no normal apostolic mandate is somehow better than convening a conclave, inviting cardinals, and considering them as heretics and no longer valid electors if they still accept Wojtyla after 1986?
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- August 10, 2017 at 8:00 AM
- Hans,
Until we get a morally unanimous consensus that (a) we are in a state of sedevacantism and (b) we proceed according to the laws of the Church as properly set forth for such an extraordinary situation, it's the best we can do for now.
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- August 29, 2017 at 7:24 AM
- Did Monsignor Lefèbvre wait for a morally unanimous consensus in 1988?
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- August 29, 2017 at 7:45 AM
- Comparing apples and oranges. The requirements for a conclave is not the same as for a valid Sacrament.
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- August 31, 2017 at 2:27 AM
- There is more than validity, there is also licitity of episcopal consecration.
If an episcopal consecration without normal apostolic mandate is normally IL-licit (if valid), the act of Monsignor Lefèbvre means that he considered there was a case of necessity, in which normal rules don't quite apply.
IF normal rules apply, Williamson, Galarreta, Tissier de Mallerais, Fellay were all validly consecrated, like Rifan, but the only one whom it is or was for long licit to approach about his episcopal powers was Rifan, since he quickly made up with Rome. It would in that case still be illicit to approach Bishop Williamson.
If on the other hand the matters are so bad that normal rules do NOT apply to the situation, or were so, why stop at episcopal consecration, and not add a conclave of emergency which removes the state of emergency?
Pope Michael - or if you prefer, Bishop Bawden (yes, he was consecrated in 2011, Gaudete Sunday, having been priest since c. 24 hours earlier) made a study of what epikeia as a virtue means, it is a virtue dealing with emergency situations in which normal rules don't apply, and the response he got is that for normal rules NOT to apply, one has to act in ways so as to remove emergency and restore full applicability of normal rules. Which means not stopping at episcopal consecrations out of normal licitness, but making a creative move about papal elections (usually referred to as "conclaves" due to the usual and normal mode in which e g Pope St Pius X was elected).
This is his argument against those who have been (in their view) prolonging the case of necessity which justified their positions.
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- August 31, 2017 at 6:24 PM
- Normal rules means rules that are not of divine positive law that cannot be changed. For example, the mandate for episcopal consecration is of purely ecclesiastical origin and admits of circumstances that would render it null and void. On the other hand, the requirement that only a validly ordained priest can offer Mass is of Divine positive law, such that a layman cannot offer Mass validly no matter what the circumstances.
The election of a pope has changed over the years, but certain things have not. Women are barred from participating in a conclave or an imperfect general council. Bawden was "elected" by his mommy, his daddy, and two nice neighbors along with Mrs. Benns and himself. This is what is commonly known as a farce.
He is not even a bishop or priest. He derives his orders from one "Bp" Bob Biarnesen. Bp Bob received his orders through the Old Catholic line in the US which are held as doubtful. What ever happened to ol' Bp. Bob? We know nothing of his ecclesiastical training and education (if any). That compounds the doubt. Why did he leave Bawden? Why isn't he mentioned on his website and made a "cardinal" with an office outside the chicken coop?
David Bawden is a well-intentioned, yet delusional man.
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- September 1, 2017 at 2:31 AM
- If women cannot even participate in a conclave, that makes the two votes of his mother and Theresa Benns invalid.
This leaves 3 votes against one (his own).
"He derives his orders from one "Bp" Bob Biarnesen. Bp Bob received his orders through the Old Catholic line in the US which are held as doubtful."
I had read sth on the wikipedia of some consecrating bishop actually deriving HIS line via two intermediates from Duarte Costa, which is not doubtful.
Sure Bob Biarnesen was chief consecrator and not just coconsecrator?
As to "delusional", this word smacks too much of modern psychiatry, in which ideologically charged questions can be used to denote insanity.
If you wanted to say "he is wrong", those words would have sufficed.
As to why the consecrating bishops are not mentioned, I have wondered that too, and just mentioned that for now I am supposing His Holiness has a good reason not to mention them (good as in valid, not as in excellent for egoistic purposes).
As for Theresa Benns, she also left him.
She - and one Indian man who debated with me while as Palmarian I was opposed to his election on the simple ground I considered the See filled in 1990 by "Gregorio XVII" - are on a site denouncing him as a fraud, and one of their grounds seems to be his ... character.
According to them, he is a bully.
Perhaps, but that changes nothing about the validity of his papacy.
For me, I have not been quite able to verify where certain blocks to my carreer as a writer and composer are coming from, even if His Holiness has not completely overturned them by publishing things by me either. Whoever IS responsible is very much a bully, but he could have been under pressure.
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- September 5, 2017 at 6:54 PM
- Hans,
The very idea that there were only six Catholics left in the world is an absurd contention. Bawden voted for himself, and he has no clue on how to read the dense Latin pages on an imperfect general council. There can be no conclave of non-Cardinals. "Bp" Bob performed the ceremony alone and disappeared. Sound fishy? In the extreme.
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- September 6, 2017 at 1:47 AM
- "The very idea that there were only six Catholics left in the world is an absurd contention."
I don't think that was the contention.
The only six who acted justly in the matter does not equal the only six who were Catholics, like such who hadn't heard of the invitations to the conclave.
"Bawden voted for himself,"
Says who?
I assumed he didn't, because in a conclave no one does, so if he did, I'd like to know a source for it.
"and he has no clue on how to read the dense Latin pages on an imperfect general council."
I have seen one fault in Latin by him in the past, but that does not mean he has no clue on how to read Latin - a page being dense has little to do with it.
"There can be no conclave of non-Cardinals."
If by "conclave" we mean ordinary and in usual legal form conducted papal election, agreed. If we mean papal election in general, I think he beats you in Church history.
""Bp" Bob performed the ceremony alone and disappeared. Sound fishy? In the extreme."
At least somewhat, yes. It could be a case of fraud, but it could also be a case of someone putting pressure on Bob after the fact or someone putting him up to putting His Holiness in an awkward position before it.
Also, I think I recall the ceremony was by two bishops.
One thought crossing my mind is that they had agreed beforehand to ordain him and consecrate him and then leave him, so he could not document it, properly.
I do not have proof culpability is on him.
It could also be they were blackmailed after the fact.
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- September 7, 2017 at 2:41 PM
- That there were other methods of electing a pope but once gone, that method can no longer be used. Only an imperfect general council (or sedeprivationism) hold the key. No approved theologian teaches otherwise.
The source that Bawden voted for himself was Bawden's own site that claimed the vote was "unanimous." He may have changed it, but that's what I had read.
He has no formal Ecclesiastical training or education. He has a high school education and was expelled from SSPX.
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- September 8, 2017 at 1:41 AM
- "That there were other methods of electing a pope but once gone, that method can no longer be used."
Not even in a state of emergency?
"Only an imperfect general council (or sedeprivationism) hold the key. No approved theologian teaches otherwise."
I tried sedeprivationism. Was John Paul II a material Pope? Could Benedict XVI have been a formal Pope? I hoped so. I have felt deceived since hoping so.
Imperfect general council ... I think that one was tried at Elx (Elche). I have rejected the result since I - like Pope Michael - am not a Feeneyite.
"The source that Bawden voted for himself was Bawden's own site that claimed the vote was "unanimous." He may have changed it, but that's what I had read."
OK, I took that as meaning five votes against one.
"He has no formal Ecclesiastical training or education."
I have noticed on certain issues.
But does that invalidate his conclusion? No.
If his conclusion on emergency conclave was valid, does it invalidate his election? No.
Formal training and formal education are overvalued items. No sacrament or faculty or jurisdiction depends on someone having it. If I were a bishop and ordained a man who had not got the philosophy course under others, and even one who had legitimately flunked philosophy and whom it would be sinful for me to ordain, he would still be validly ordained.
If I had given him faculties to hear confession, his faculties would not become invalid because I found out he had flunked or never even made the exams in moral theology or canon law.
And if I had died and the pope given him jurisdiction as administrator of my diocese up to election of bishop by a chapter vote, the jurisdiction he would be exercising would also not be invalid because he lacked formal training.
"He has a high school education ..."
Plus home schooling and continued studies at home.
"...and was expelled from SSPX."
You agree with him he has been a student at SSPX. He has given another version on how it ended.
- Introibo Ad Altare Dei
- September 9, 2017 at 9:38 AM
- No, not even in a state of emergency can a conclave be called. It requires cardinals appointed by a pope. Right there it ends the "papacy" of Bawden. Some things can never be done even in a state of emergency. For example, if someone was in danger of death you could not validly baptize them using milk or beer as a substitute for water.
An imperfect general council has to meet the right standards, just as a conclave can't be called without real cardinals. You can't be elected "pope" by your mommy, your daddy and two nice neighbors on your Kansas farmhouse.
Read the theologians pre-V2 and you won't fall for phonies like Bawden or Dominguez ("Pope" Gregory) who taught heresy, molested the "nuns" and became a "Saint." His "stigmata" in a picture I saw looked like ketchup--and probably was!
---Introibo
- Hans Georg Lundahl
- September 11, 2017 at 1:17 AM
- I am an ex-adherent of "Gregorio XVII".
Theologians (not Church fathers or scholastics, but contemporary) pre-V2 and especially pre-Pius XII even (like Dorsch) are no doubt good, but a bit hard to come by.
I ditched Dominguez over a doctrinal matter before hearing/reading he had molested monks as well.
"Antichrist sees the world from the fourth dimension, the Most Pure Virgin from the eighth dimension"
Hey, what about God creating space in THREE dimensions, to indicate He is THREE Persons?
So, I am an ex-Palmarian.
Ditching Dominguez came as per reading St Augustine, less hard to come by, most works, than Father Dorsch. Or as per having read Augustine.
Either way, validity of a sacrament is different from validity of jurisdiction.
And an antipope can become a true pope if one is needed and no one else is available.
One of my theories (abandoned) was that Pope Krav in Zagreb had been carrying the torch to 2012. But that was a comedy act, and the comedian gave it up when he saw sedevacantist popes exist for real. Now, if this had been right, the 1990 conclave would have been invalid for another reason, namely the see not being vacant.
That means, Pope Michael would have started out as an antipope, but could have become a true Pope after cessation of "Pope Krav" (had he been for real).
How come an antipope can become a true pope? See Pope St Felix II. He bagan to be Pope (after starting as an antipope) when clergy of Rome considered Liberius apostate, abdicated when Liberius cleared himself and reigned as true Pope a second time after Pope Liberius died.
On the other hand, this happened with "clergy of Rome" = equivalent of cardinals.
And "on the third hand" / "first hand again", time is a bit running out for sedevacantism proper. Perpetuos successores.
I got a view on an apologetics video by JPHolding, he defended replacing of Old Covenant by new by saying "olam" (I think it was, I'm no Hebraist) means perpetual rather than "eternal".
But the, if so, perpetual covenant of Sinai was interrupted for 70 years. 1958+70=2028.
That might be the limit for a break not changing perpetuity of papacy, as defined in Vatican council of 1869-70.
An imperfect general council could of course also confer papal jurisdiction on someone previously an antipope, I suppose?
Or recognise someone who was suspected of being so was a Pope, after all?
A decision of such an imperfect general council could trump the otherwise correct opinion of Father Dorsch, I suppose?
Sunday 5 May 2024
Japan Went the Wrong Way
Assorted Retorts: Rise of Loneliness · Mormons and Muslims Have Similarities · Yes, Christianity Traditionally Permits 12 Year Old Women to Marry — No, Not Three Year Old Girls · New blog on the kid: Japan Went the Wrong Way
Some years ago, minimum age of consent for sexual acts was 13, minimum age for a man to marry was 18, minimum age for a woman to marry was 16 with parental consent.
Recently, the age of consent for sexual acts was raised to 16, and apparently also the female marital age to 18.
One should instead have lowered the ages of marriage so they coincided with the age of sexual consent.
Male, 16 with parental consent, or as low as 13 if he gets a girl pregnant.
Female, 13 with parental consent, or even lower if she gets pregnant.
And abortion should have been forbidden, contraceptives forbidden or at least left unsponsored from now on, at least contraceptives like pills or sterilettes should be forbidden, since they are causing very early abortions, as well as non-fertilisation of ova.
Some may pretend I feel this way because of my love for manga. I feel this way because I have been a teacher to girls who would have been better off married, not all of them necessarily my style. It was a short while, I ended up falling in love with one of my expupils in an effort to fall out of love with two* other ones, and it didn't work out, and the reaction went ballistic over my liberties, but even if I had hooked up with one of the two teachers that replaced me in 1996 (yes, I was in love with both, and both were Catholics), I'd feel the same about the principle.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
V Lord's Day after Easter
5/V.2024
* First one, I thought too young at 13, I did not know the Church Laws from before 1983 and 1917, second was 14, as the minimal age required, since 1917, but her parents were Atheist and Left leaning, I was afraid they would overreact. Instead it was the supposedly Christian and Conservative parents of girl 3, whom I decided to chose among these, that overreacted and ... well, made some contribution to ruin my life for some time. In either of the cases, I intended (if the feelings had been recriprocated) to do some effort to stay minimally legal in Sweden, get an exception when the girl was 15, and then honourably marry. From her reaction and some other reactions, I think some suspected some very different plan.
Saturday 4 May 2024
Statistiques de 8 jours
Sept jours entre 22 et 28.IV.2024.
Un jour, entre 30.IV et 1.V.2024 (14:29)
Statistiques de deux semaines
20—26.IV.2024
| Hong Kong
749 + 187 + 56 + 292 + 802 + 21 + 6 + 496 + 34 + 955 + 14 = 3612 = 3,61 k 3,61 k + 1,43 k + 1,17 k + 5,67 k = 11,88 k 11,88 k / 7 = 1697 par jour | Autre
282 + 7 + 7 + 421 + 123 + 125 + 81 + 75 + 10 + 56 + 246 + 12 + 1 + 17 + 2 + 4 + 10 + 12 + 1 + 8 + 193 + 64 + 94 + 153 + 3 + 345 + 279 + 32 + 69 + 7 + 127 + 38 + 55 + 806 = 3765 = 3,77 k 3,77 k + 1,3 k = 5,07 k | |
| États-Unis
140 + 290 + 317 + 182 + 76 + 1 + 6 + 13 + 11 + 440 + 3 + 135 + 13 + 6 + 5 + 5 + 200 + 11 + 11 + 43 + 7 + 34 + 53 + 10 + 7 + 9 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 21 + 13 + 11 + 25 + 18 + 1 + 11 + 16 + 69 + 18 + 13 + 7 = 2275 2275 / 7 = 325 par jour Chine 103 + 93 + 3 + 28 + 615 + 87 + 25 + 4 + 48 + 5 + 163 + 91 = 1265 1265 / 7 = 181 par jour France 9 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 4 + 11 + 2 + 4 + 56 + 4 + 6 + 6 + 1 + 6 + 1 + 1 + 9 + 50 + 263 + 16 + 1 + 1 = 457 457 / 7 = 65 par jour Russie 224 + 139 + 1 + 1 + 31 + 1 + 6 + 20 + 3 + 5 + 13 + 1 = 445 445 / 7 = 64 par jour Canada 23 + 4 + 40 + 6 + 2 + 11 + 28 + 81 + 4 + 27 + 4 + 3 + 5 + 4 + 25 + 5 + 1 + 1 + 6 + 14 + 4 + 95 + 12 = 405 405 / 7 = 58 par jour Royaume-Uni 6 + 3 + 15 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 6 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 18 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 5 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 17 + 68 = 186 186 / 7 = 27 par jour Israël 25 + 20 + 7 + 11 + 2 + 2 + 53 + 21 + 35 + 7 = 183 Inde 61 + 7 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 6 + 6 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 12 = 127 Allemagne 2 + 3 + 10 + 3 + 9 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 6 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 27 + 2 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 5 + 2 + 4 + 4 = 119 Pays-Bas 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 42 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 91 Ukraine 1 + 1 + 69 + 9 + 1 + 2 = 83 Autriche 28 + 2 = 30 | Irlande
17 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 21 Seychelles 12 + 2 + 4 = 18 Iran 3 + 10 + 1 + 3 = 17 Lituanie 1 + 15 = 16 Serbie 2 + 2 + 1 + 8 = 13 Roumanie 5 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 12 Corée du Sud 1 + 6 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 12 Singapour 6 + 3 + 3 = 12 Italie 8 + 1 = 9 Suisse 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 9 Lettonie 6 + 1 + 1 = 8 Espagne 4 + 1 + 2 = 7 Bulgarie = 7 Australie 1 + 6 = 7 Tanzanie 3 + 2 + 1 = 6 Indonésie 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 5 | |
| Quatre vues
Philippines, Brésil = 8 Trois vues Tchéquie, Pologne = 6 Deux vues Suède, Grèce, Afrique du Sud, Monaco, Kenya, Taïwan = 12 | Une vue
Madagascar, Panama, Îles Vierges britanniques, Turquie, Belgique, Cambodge, Turkménistan, Bangladesh, Arménie, Géorgie, Monténégro, Kazakhstan = 12 Sous-total 2275 + 1265 + 457 + 445 + 405 + 186 + 183 + 127 + 119 + 91 + 83 + 30 + 21 + 18 + 17 + 16 + 13 + 12 + 12 + 12 + 9 + 9 + 8 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 6 + 5 + 8 + 6 + 12 + 12 = 5883 = 5,88 k Total 3,61 k + 5,07 k + 5,88 k = 14,56 k 14,56 k / 7 = 2,08 k par jour |
27—3.V.2024
| Hong Kong
203 + 870 + 709 + 9 + 181 + 523 + 533 + 17 + 4 + 345 + 30 + 746 + 12 + 340 = 4522 4522 / 7 = 646 par jour États-Unis 151 + 4 + 31 + 17 + 98 + 1 + 15 + 35 + 37 + 8 + 3 + 145 + 342 + 189 + 23 + 18 + 25 + 5 + 7 + 20 + 8 + 9 + 8 + 28 + 8 + 5 + 4 + 5 + 11 + 6 + 9 + 21 + 9 + 38 + 26 + 4 + 16 + 14 + 18 + 8 + 8 + 7 = 1444 1444 / 7 = 206 par jour Royaume-Uni 3 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 8 + 1 + 1 + 16 + 10 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 4 + 3 + 3 + 6 + 4 + 6 + 4 + 5 + 44 + 4 + 5 + 22 + 3 + 6 + 2 + 23 + 6 + 67 + 14 + 3 + 36 + 9 + 2 + 1 + 53 = 389 389 / 7 = 56 par jour | Russie
91 + 136 + 51 + 20 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 2 + 3 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 2 = 329 329 / 7 = 47 par jour France 15 + 1 + 5 + 44 + 2 + 2 + 150 + 21 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 6 = 261 261 / 7 = 37 par jour Canada 6 + 2 + 6 + 22 + 30 + 3 + 11 + 2 + 55 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 5 + 2 + 28 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 12 + 2 + 11 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 2 = 230 230 / 7 = 33 par jour | |
| Israël
13 + 35 + 1 + 29 + 39 + 7 + 19 + 26 = 169 Inde 4 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 5 + 1 + 9 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 13 + 67 + 1 + 7 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 4 + 2 = 145 Allemagne 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 4 + 6 + 3 + 3 + 24 + 3 + 3 + 1 + 3 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 4 + 6 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 5 + 3 + 17 + 5 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 3 = 138 Singapour 4 + 90 + 5 + 2 + 5 + 4 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 5 + 6 + 1 = 131 Chine 1 + 3 + 2 + 7 + 7 + 11 + 19 + 5 + 1 + 18 + 10 = 84 Ukraine 1 + 65 + 14 + 1 = 81 Irlande 3 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 2 + 5 + 1 + 19 + 5 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 1 = 70 Autriche 1 + 44 + 8 + 1 + 1 = 55 Pays-Bas 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 5 + 2 + 6 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 5 + 5 = 48 Seychelles 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 5 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 10 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 37 | Brésil
19 + 2 + 1 = 22 Indonésie = 20 Italie 1 + 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 18 Espagne 2 + 4 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 15 Suisse 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 14 Pologne 2 + 1 + 1 + 3 + 1 = 8 Viêt Nam 2 + 1 + 2 + 3 = 8 Suède 1 + 5 + 1 = 7 Corée du Sud 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 6 Iran 3 + 2 + 1 = 6 | |
| 4 vues par pays
Îles Vierges britanniques, Lettonie, Turquie = 12 3 vues par pays Australie = 3 2 vues par pays Costa Rica, Finlande, Slovaquie, Tanzanie = 8 | 1 vue par pays
Portugal, Cambodge, Belgique, Estonie, Hongrie, Monaco, Qatar, Madagascar, Kazakhstan = 9 Autre 9 + 6 + 3 + 127 + 50 + 37 + 35 + 1 + 92 + 15 + 11 + 352 + 36 + 33 + 8 + 81 + 35 + 227 + 498 + 628 + 87 + 8 + 225 + 5 + 2 + 196 + 5 + 39 + 26 + 39 + 4 + 54 + 198 + 15 + 2 + 28 + 8 + 2 + 7 = 3234 | |
| Total
4522 + 1444 + 389 + 329 + 261 + 230 + 169 + 145 + 138 + 131 + 84 + 81 + 70 + 55 + 48 + 37 + 22 + 20 + 18 + 15 + 14 + 8 + 8 + 7 + 6 + 6 + 12 + 3 + 8 + 9 + 3234 = 11 523 11 523 / 7 = 1646 par jour | ||
Friday 3 May 2024
Bonum Festum Inventionis Crucis
Christifidelibus lectoribus exopto./HGL
Hierosolymis Inventio sacrosanctae Crucis Dominicae, sub Constantino Imperatore.
Some Men Who Hate Christianity Will Blame Anything On It
Brian Cox, renowned for his portrayal of Logan Roy in the TV series Succession, [...] criticised these belief systems for leading humanity into "all kinds of horror," referencing historical and contemporary conflicts such as the holocaust and the wars in Ukraine and Gaza. "The same things are being repeated again and again in belief systems that do not serve," he remarked.
'They’ll believe it ‘cause they’re stupid enough': Brian Cox says Bible is one of the worst books ever
Thu May 02 2024by Lydia Davies | Premier Christian News
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/they-ll-believe-it-cause-they-re-stupid-enough-brian-cox-says-bible-is-one-of-the-worst-books-ever
Let's break this down.
- Whether the Holocaust happened as usually described, or there is some kind of quirk to the narrative, there is no dout the perpetrator was National Socialist Germany. It was not Austro-Fascist Austria. It was not Orthodox and Czarist Russia. It was not Franco's Spain. It was precisely National Socialist Germany. Nothing in the actions of the NS régime, whether good or bad, whether Autobahn or putting Jews and Gipsies in camps, in any way shape or form depended on a high degree of confidence in the Christian region.
If Brian Cox has heard the opposite, he's relying on sources as bad as Avro Manhattan, published by Chick Tracts.
- The aggressor in the war in Ukraine is also not very famous for Fundamentalist Christianity or for depending in policy decisions on Christian rules or values.
Putin's Russia has a lower percentage of Christianity than Ukraine, and allows abortion on demand. It was not the US that invaded Ukraine.
- The Gaza conflict is somewhat different. Again, true Christianty, Roman Catholicism, is not the aggressor. However, there are parts of Rabbinic Judaism and of Evangelical Christianity in the US that do support pretty genocidal acts, "against Hamas" (and against children and neighbours of Hamas). The reason lies in false exegesis of the Bible, just as much as National Socialism by semi-Darwinism (technically probably more of Wallace's Spiritualist Evolutionism) relied on a false explanation of nature.
Again, true Christianity is not perpetrating anything, but this time (and not the other two) devout semi-Christians are to blame.
Meanwhile, while showing himself this degree of gullible and stupid belief in baseless rumours, Brian Cox pretends to comprehend those believing the Bible as "stupid" people.
And I ask myself, if he's 77, how much does he depend on doctors, and how much has their stupidity in non-medical matters (if any in the case of his possible such) contributed to his pronouncement?
Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris, Arkoun
Holy Cross
3.V.2024
Hierosolymis Inventio sacrosanctae Crucis Dominicae, sub Constantino Imperatore.
Wednesday 1 May 2024
Bonum Festum Sancti Joseph Opificis
Christifidelibus lectoribus exopto./HGL
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Mes plus récentes tables de carbone 14
Short Cuts | Science | p. 18 · Mes plus récentes tables de carbone 14
L'article anglophone ici noté, renvoie à deux articles en français sur ce blog :
Creation vs. Evolution: New Tables
Publié par Hans Georg Lundahl à 09:58 jeudi 13 août 2020
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2020/08/new-tables.html
Translation of the posts Tables de carbone 14 sur les bases révisées (I - VI) and Tables continuées (VI - IX). In first post, each point in time (I to VI) is presented along with the table, in second, they are all presented in a bullet point list first./HGL
Depuis, j'ai ajouté quelques mises à jour à New Tables, en des nouveaux articles. Il y a eu une mise à jour des trois tables I - II, II - III et III - IV. Et encore une autre pour la table I - II. Et j'ai laissé tomber la table VIII - IX. Ici je vais superposer les tables dans les états les plus mis à jour.
I - II
I = Le Déluge, en 2957 avant Jésus-Christ, ou plutôt en 2958 avant Jésus-Christ (Il est né en fin d'année, donc cette année était les premiers mois sans son existence humaine, et encore neuf mois avant Sa Naissance, et juste une semaine à partir de celle-ci, Il est donc né en "1 avant Jésus-Christ" et c'est pour ça qu'Il est né entre autre 752 ab Urbe condita, mais Rome est fondée en 753 avant Jésus-Christ).
Me repères pour les dates bibliques, c'est le martyrologe romain pour le 25 décembre.
Basé sur l'éruption des Champs flégréennes, daté par ses pluies de cendres jusqu'en République Tchèque actuelle, ça contient des cendres organiques, datés par carbone 14 à 39 000 avant le présent, soit 37 000 avant Jésus-Christ. Si la date réelle est de 3000 avavant Jésus-Christ et la datation est de 37 000 avant Jésus-Christ, ça veut dire un âge excessif de 34 000 ans. 1,636 pcm implique cette âge (ou 1,628 pour 34 043), donc, pour l'âge immédiat (donc "fictif" en fonction de la méthode), je pose 1,628 pcm.
- 2957 av. J.-Chr.
- 1,628 pcm, donc daté à 37 000 av. J.-Chr.
- 2933 av. J.-Chr.
- 2,69 pcm, donc daté à 32 833 av. J.-Chr.
- 2918 av. J.-Chr.
- 3,749 pcm, donc daté à 30 018 av. J.-Chr.
- 2884 av. J.-Chr.
- 4,804 pcm, donc daté à 27 984 av. J.-Chr.
- 2860 av. J.-Chr.
- 5,857 pcm, donc daté à 26 310 av. J.-Chr.
- 2835 av. J.-Chr.
- 6,906 pcm, donc daté à 24 935 av. J.-Chr.
- 2811 av. J.-Chr.
- 7,952 pcm, donc daté à 23 761 av. J.-Chr.
- 2787 av. J.-Chr.
- 8,996 pcm, donc daté à 22 687 av. J.-Chr.
- 2762 av. J.-Chr.
- 10,036 pcm, donc daté à 21 762 av. J.-Chr.
- 2738 av. J.-Chr.
- 11,073 / 11,069 pcm, donc daté à 20 938 av. J.-Chr.
- 2712 av. J.-Chr.
- 17,576 pcm, donc daté à 17 062 av. J.-Chr.
- 2686 av. J.-Chr.
- 24,062 pcm, donc daté à 14 486 av. J.-Chr.
- 2659 av. J.-Chr.
- 30,528 pcm, donc daté à 12 459 av. J.-Chr.
- 2633 av. J.-Chr.
- 36,973 pcm , donc daté à 10 883 av. J.-Chr.
- 2607 av. J.-Chr.
- 43,398 / 43,438 pcm, donc daté à 9507 av. J.-Chr.
II - III
II = Noé meurt. C'est 350 après le Déluge, donc 2607 avant Jésus-Christ. Sur les 51 ans qui suivent jusqu'à la naissance de Phalec, 40 vont être abusés par Nimrod pour pirater l'humanité entière dans un projet sans queue ni tête.
Aurait-il pu lancer une fusée spatiale ? Mille fois non. Se croyait-il capable de le faire ? Hélas oui. Il avait connu les histoires de la technologie d'avant le Déluge, dans la civilisation nodienne (éventuellement d'autres), il s'était mis en tête de récupérer, et on fit des bon progrès en agriculture, sur les bases que Noé avait semées (!) en petit fermier, pourquoi pas aller un peu au-delà, s'il y avait eu des bombes nucléaires avant le Déluge, pourquoi pas maîtriser ça en propulsion d'un objet non brisé ? Justement, il avait dans sa tête 45 siècles en avance sur une technologie capable à réellement maîtriser le nucléaire qu'on à récemment eu, avec Tchernobyl en prime. Comment l'en détourner, sans de faire mal à ses dupes ?
Vacances en cours de langues ? Pourquoi pas. Pour les cours de langues, Dieu s'en occupe, maîtrise immédiate et parfaite d'une nouvelle langue, et oubli de la langue d'avant. Pour les vacances, l'impossibilité de donner des ordres à des gens qui ne comprenaient pas votre langue, ça s'en charge. Et après la galère et les fêtes malsaines en pseudo-repos (grands bassins de bière et un quartier chaud à Karahan Tepe), des vraies vacances de ce régime s'imposaient.
J'identifie Göbekli Tepe avec la Babel de Genèse 11 (celle qui reste Babel en traduction), ce qui fait que les datations limites de Göbekli Tepe (qui ont varié en ce que j'ai accessé en ligne) deviennent les datations carboniques de cette partie. Je n'ai pas été sûr exactement où placer les 40 ans, quoique j'avais entendu que Phalec naît 7 ans après la fin de Babel, et reçoit son nom du fait que les divisions entre peuples qui ne se comprennent plus sont encore en train de se faire.
La limite d'avant, c'est donc 2607 (aurait pu être 2603), et la plus récente nouvelle que j'ai de Göbekli Tepe, c'est que son début ne se date pas de 9600 mais juste de 9500. 9500 - 2607 = 6893 ans "d'âge immédiat" ce qui implique un niveau de carbone 14 de 43,438 pcm.
- 2607 av. J.-Chr.
- 43,438 pcm, donc daté à 9507 av. J.-Chr.
- 2590 av. J.-Chr.
- 46,218 pcm, donc daté à 8990 av. J.-Chr.
- 2573 av. J.-Chr.
- 48,992 pcm, donc daté à 8473 av. J.-Chr.
- 2556 av. J.-Chr.
- 51,761 pcm, donc daté à 8006 av. J.-Chr.
III - IV
III = naissance de Phalec.
Comme dit, Babel a pu prendre fin 2563, mais restons sur 2556.
Ma dernière nouvelle de la fin de Göbekli Tepe est de 8000, 8000 - 2556 = 5444, ce qui implique 51,76 pcm.
- 2556 av. J.-Chr.
- 51,76 pcm, donc daté à 8006 av. J.-Chr.
- 2539 av. J.-Chr.
- 52,64 pcm, donc daté à 7839 av. J.-Chr.
- 2522 av. J.-Chr.
- 53,518 pcm, donc daté à 7672 av. J.-Chr.
- 2505 av. J.-Chr.
- 54,394 pcm, donc daté à 7555 av. J.-Chr.
- 2488 av. J.-Chr.
- 55,268 pcm, donc daté à 7388 av. J.-Chr.
- 2471 av. J.-Chr.
- 56,141 pcm, donc daté à 7221 av. J.-Chr.
- 2454 av. J.-Chr.
- 57,012 pcm, donc daté à 7104 av. J.-Chr.
- 2437 av. J.-Chr.
- 57,881 pcm, donc daté à 6937 av. J.-Chr.
- 2420 av. J.-Chr.
- 58,748 pcm, donc daté à 6820 av. J.-Chr.
- 2403 av. J.-Chr.
- 59,613 pcm, donc daté à 6703 av. J.-Chr.
- 2386 av. J.-Chr.
- 60,477 pcm, donc daté à 6536 av. J.-Chr.
- 2369 av. J.-Chr.
- 61,339 pcm, donc daté à 6419 av. J.-Chr.
- 2352 av. J.-Chr.
- 62,199 pcm, donc daté à 6302 av. J.-Chr.
- 2335 av. J.-Chr.
- 63,057 pcm, donc daté à 6135 av. J.-Chr.
- 2318 av. J.-Chr.
- 63,914 pcm, donc daté à 6018 av. J.-Chr.
- 2301 av. J.-Chr.
- 64,769 pcm, donc daté à 5901 av. J.-Chr.
- 2284 av. J.-Chr.
- 65,622 pcm, donc daté à 5784 av. J.-Chr.
- 2267 av. J.-Chr.
- 66,473 pcm, donc daté à 5667 av. J.-Chr.
- 2250 av. J.-Chr.
- 67,323 pcm, donc daté à 5500 av. J.-Chr.
- 2233 av. J.-Chr.
- 68,17 pcm, donc daté à 5383 av. J.-Chr.
- 2216 av. J.-Chr.
- 69,017 pcm, donc daté à 5266 av. J.-Chr.
- 2199 av. J.-Chr.
- 69,861 pcm, donc daté à 5149 av. J.-Chr.
- 2182 av. J.-Chr.
- 70,704 pcm, donc daté à 5032 av. J.-Chr.
- 2165 av. J.-Chr.
- 71,544 pcm, donc daté à 4915 av. J.-Chr.
- 2148 av. J.-Chr.
- 72,384 pcm, donc daté à 4798 av. J.-Chr.
- 2131 av. J.-Chr.
- 73,221 pcm, donc daté à 4731 av. J.-Chr.
- 2114 av. J.-Chr.
- 74,057 pcm, donc daté à 4614 av. J.-Chr.
- 2097 av. J.-Chr.
- 74,891 pcm, donc daté à 4497 av. J.-Chr.
- 2080 av. J.-Chr.
- 75,723 pcm, donc daté à 4380 av. J.-Chr.
- 2063 av. J.-Chr.
- 76,553 pcm, donc daté à 4263 av. J.-Chr.
- 2046 av. J.-Chr.
- 77,382 pcm, donc daté à 4146 av. J.-Chr.
- 2039 av. J.-Chr.
- 78,209 pcm, donc daté à 4089 av. J.-Chr.
- 2022 av. J.-Chr.
- 79,035 pcm, donc daté à 3972 av. J.-Chr.
- 2005 av. J.-Chr.
- 79,859 pcm, donc daté à 3855 av. J.-Chr.
- 1988 av. J.-Chr.
- 80,681 pcm, donc daté à 3788 av. J.-Chr.
- 1971 av. J.-Chr.
- 81,501 pcm, donc daté à 3671 av. J.-Chr.
- 1954 av. J.-Chr.
- 82,32 pcm, donc daté à 3554 av. J.-Chr.
- 1937 av. J.-Chr.
- 83,137 pcm, donc daté à 3487 av. J.-Chr.
IV - V
IV = Genèse 14.
Selon le martyrologe romain, Jésus est né 2015 ans après Abraham. D'autres chronologies diffèrent, mais plus légèrement que pour le Déluge ou pour la distance entre Déluge et la naissance d'Abraham. Pour les années qui découlent entre ces deux naissances, rien ne dépend du choix de texte entre les Septante et les traductions basés sur Masorétique ou pré-Masorétique, mais déjà-pas-Septante, par exemple Vulgate. La Bible commentée catholique par Haydock utilise la chronologie d'Ussher. Pour Genèse 12, quand Abraham a 75 ans, c'est 1921 avant Jésus-Christ, Abraham serait donc né en 1996 avant Jésus-Christ.
Pour Genèse 14, la chronologie d'Ussher a donc 1912.
Moi, je compte 80 ans après 2015, donc 1935. La différence n'est pas trop grande.
De toute manière, Genèse 14 a un corrollaire archéologique. Si la datation carbone 14 était déjà en fonction pleinement comme de nos jours, si on avait atteint les 100 pcm ou environ, qui ont été le niveau pour les derniers 3000 ans, les trouvailles en connexion avec Genèse 14 auraient dû avoir un âge daté de 1900 et quelque avant Jésus-Christ.
En réalité, Asason-Tamar peut être identifié à En-Guédi par II Paralipomène 20:2, et l'archéologie d'En-Guédi n'as pas de couche pour 2000 avant Jésus Christ. Par contre, quand les Amorrhéens s'enfuient des attaques, ils évacuent des trésor de temple à un grotte pas trop loin, sur des nattes de roseaux. Ceux-ci sont datés à 3500 avant Jésus-Christ.
Vous connaissez ma méthode. 3500 - 1935 = 1565 ans d'âge immédiat, 82,753 pcm. Les adhérants d'une chronologie comme par Georges le Syncelle poseraient le niveau plus haut, car là, Abraham serait né en 2188 ou 2189 avant Jésus-Christ. Avec Genèse 14 en 2109, les années supplémentaires sont 1391, le niveau serait donc plutôt à 84,513 pcm.
- 1935 av. J.-Chr.
- 82,73 pcm , donc daté à 3485 av. J.-Chr.
- 1913 av. J.-Chr.
- 83,1967 pcm, donc daté à 3413 av. J.-Chr.
- 1890 av. J.-Chr.
- 83,6622 pcm, donc daté à 3390 av. J.-Chr.
- 1868 av. J.-Chr.
- 84,1262 pcm, donc daté à 3318 av. J.-Chr.
- 1845 av. J.-Chr.
- 84,5892 pcm, donc daté à 3245 av. J.-Chr.
- 1823 av. J.-Chr.
- 85,0509 pcm, donc daté à 3173 av. J.-Chr.
- 1801 av. J.-Chr.
- 85,5174 pcm, donc daté à 3101 av. J.-Chr.
- 1778 av. J.-Chr.
- 85,9766 pcm, donc daté à 3028 av. J.-Chr.
- 1756 av. J.-Chr.
- 86,4346 pcm, donc daté à 2956 av. J.-Chr.
- 1734 av. J.-Chr.
- 86,8913 pcm, donc daté à 2884 av. J.-Chr.
- 1711 av. J.-Chr.
- 87,3468 pcm, donc daté à 2811 av. J.-Chr.
V - VI
V = Joseph en Égypte.
Identifier le pharaon de Joseph avec Djéser, car lui-même avec l'Imhotep de la tradition égyptienne peut paraître hasardeux, mais vu l'incrément de carbone 14 entre Genèse 14 et la prise de Jéricho, c'est beaucoup plus sûr que de prendre le pharaon de Joseph pour Sénousret III.
Pour l'arrivé de la famille en Égypte, c'est 215 ans après la promesse à Abraham, donc ...
2015 - 75 - 215 = 1725
... 1725 avant Jésus-Christ. Si j'ai mis 1700, c'est pour laisser au pharaon le temps de mourir, car l'archéologie que nous avons, c'est de son nef funèbre. La date calibrée est de 2600, mais les dates crues sont de 2800.
2800 - 1700 = 1100 ans de surplus, 87,541 pcm.
- 1700 av. J.-Chr.
- 87,575 pcm, donc daté à 2800 av. J.-Chr.
- 1678 av. J.-Chr.
- 89,4653 pcm, donc daté à 2598 av. J.-Chr.
- 1655 av. J.-Chr.
- 91,4498 pcm, donc daté à 2395 av. J.-Chr.
- 1633 av. J.-Chr.
- 93,3283 pcm, donc daté à 2203 av. J.-Chr.
- 1610 av. J.-Chr.
- 95,2011 pcm, donc daté à 2020 av. J.-Chr.
- 1588 av. J.-Chr.
- 97,0681 pcm, donc daté à 1838 av. J.-Chr.
VI - VII
VI = naissance de Moïse.
Le martyrologe romain pose l'Exode en 1510 avant Jésus-Christ, Moïse avait alors 80 ans, il est donc né en 1590.
Si j'ai suivi le Créationniste et Égyptologue David Down en posant que le pharaon qui meurt peu après est Sénousret III, ça marche assez bien aussi avec l'incrément de carbone 14. Car, on atteint un niveau considérable, 1838 - 1588 = 250 ans de surplus, 97,021 pcm.
Les tenants de Syncelle, entretemps ?
2189 - 75 - 430 + 80 = 2189 + 5 - 430 = 1764.
1838 - 1764 = 74 ans de surplus, 99,109 pcm. Comme on sait, je suis le Martyrologe, pas le Syncelle.
L'an carbonique 1838 est de son sarcophage.
- 1588 av. J.-Chr.
- 97,068 pcm, donc daté à 1838 av. J.-Chr.
- 1566 av. J.-Chr.
- 97,441 pcm, donc daté à 1776 av. J.-Chr.
- 1543 av. J.-Chr.
- 97,813 pcm, donc daté à 1723 av. J.-Chr.
- 1521 av. J.-Chr.
- 98,184 pcm, donc daté à 1671 av. J.-Chr.
- 1498 av. J.-Chr.
- 98,555 pcm, donc daté à 1618 av. J.-Chr.
- 1476 av. J.-Chr.
- 98,924 pcm, donc daté à 1566 av. J.-Chr.
VII - VIII
VII = Prise de Jéricho.
Exode en 1510, prise de Jéricho 40 ans plus tard en 1470, et l'occupation de Jéricho qui semble être la bonne prend fin dans ce que Kathleen Kenyon date à 1550 avant Jésus-Christ. Le surplus est donc de 80 ans, ce qui donne un pcm de 99,037 ... oupse ?
0,5(8/573)= 0,9903692282595244
Le début, et donc la table suivante, est à recalculer un peu ! Ainsi que la précedente, don't c'est la fin. Parlant de recalculer, j'avais fais les tables en 2020 pendant le premier confinément, offline, sans calculatrice, avec la multiplication longue de diverses racines carrés de racines carrées de 0,5. D'où ces inexactitudes.
Autre conséquence de ce procédé sur papier, j'avais pris pour unité de base des temps écoulés, 5730 / 256 = 22,3828125 ans. C'est de là que j'ai ces valeurs inexactes des années, genre 1476 pour 1470.
- 1476 av. J.-Chr.
- 98,924 pcm, donc daté à 1566 av. J.-Chr.
- 1454 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,0081 pcm, donc daté à 1534 av. J.-Chr.
- 1431 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,0919 pcm, donc daté à 1511 av. J.-Chr.
- 1408 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,1755 pcm, donc daté à 1478 av. J.-Chr.
- 1386 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,2589 pcm, donc daté à 1446 av. J.-Chr.
- 1364 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,3421 pcm, donc daté à 1424 av. J.-Chr.
- 1341 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,425 pcm, donc daté à 1391 av. J.-Chr.
- 1319 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,5078 pcm, donc daté à 1359 av. J.-Chr.
- 1297 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,5902 pcm, donc daté à 1327 av. J.-Chr.
- 1275 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,6725 pcm, donc daté à 1305 av. J.-Chr.
- 1252 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,7546 pcm, donc daté à 1272 av. J.-Chr.
- 1230 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,8364 pcm, donc daté à 1240 av. J.-Chr.
- 1207 av. J.-Chr.
- 99,918 pcm, donc daté à 1217 av. J.-Chr.
- 1185 av. J.-Chr.
- 100 pcm, donc daté à 1185 av. J.-Chr.
VIII = Chute de Troie.
Jésus est né Ab excidio Troiae, anno millesimo centesimo septuagesimo nono. Ceci n'est pas dans la version du martyrologe courant, mais c'était dans l'Usuard de 1498, imprimé chez Bellini, à Venise. La première version du martyrologe qui deviendra le Martyrologe romain, qui inclut ce passus, lu pendant la Messe de minuit.
En fonction de quelle niveau archéologique de Troie qu'on choisit, soit la date carbonique est 1180, soit quelque décennies plus vieux. J'ai hasardé à retenir celle de Troie VIIa plutôt que celle de Troie VI. On est donc arrivés à 100 pcm, et c'est la fin de mes tables, dont le but était de documenter :
- que l'incrément de carbone 14 n'est nulle part dans la chronologie dû à l'équivalent radioactif d'une guerre atomique majeure qui laisserait le globe mort ;
- comment les diverses dates bibliques et donc réelles correspondent entre le Déluge et le début des temps "parfaitement datables par carbone 14" aux dates de carbone 14 exaggérées par la faute systématique de prendre un niveau nettement inférieur avec lequel l'échantillon débute pour un niveau d'environ 100 pcm.
Hans Georg Lundahl
Paris
St. Joseph l'Artisan
1.V.2024
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- Oriktigt angifvande af händelseförlopp (SV) · How Antidepressants Stole Her Childhood — Sharing an Interview by Allie Beth Stuckey with Brooke Siem · I'm Glad CSL Got Out of his Belsen Situation at Wyvern · BRICS = Ten Kings? · Yes, Christianity Traditionally Permits 12 Year Old Women to Marry — No, Not Three Year Old Girls · Given the Amount of Posts I Spend on Contradicting CMI
- 12.IV.2024
- Marzipan-Pause und ... Short Cuts | Science | p. 18 (FR)
- 13.IV.2024
- Marzipan-Pause und ... a bisserl Aufräumen ...
- 14.IV.2024
- Solutrean and Clovis, According to "Other Revision of I-II?" · Can Biblical Recalibration Save the Solutrean Hypothesis? · How Welsh is the US? · Jimmy Akin Up to Tycho Brahe · Correspondences on Carbon Dating, Often Davidic and Exodus Times
- 15.IV.2024
- "Extraordinary Claims ..." — Have you Ever Heard That Slogan? · Sharing on Mar Mari
- 16.IV.2024
- Age Difference
- 17.IV.2024
- Bonum Festum Sancti Ioseph (LAT) · Are These Mormons Risking to Become Catholics? · Moderne Theologen (DE) · Michael Lofton on Stabbing, Censorship and Islamophobia ... · Statistiques d'un mois, les 30 jours vers le 16 avril 2024 — les pays · Statistiques d'un mois, les 30 jours vers le 16 et 17 avril 2024 (selon les blogs) — les posts
- 18.IV.2024
- Wessex culture, Únětice culture, Ottomány culture : Recalibrating Timespan · He Used Geocentrism as Example of a Wrong Scientific Consensus · Skolpligt? Nej tack! · I thought I had been wrong about the feast of St. Joseph ... · Sharing on Palestine (Omar Baddar / Kim Iversen)
- 19.IV.2024
- 130 Anathemas of Trent; the 5 First of Them · Words From Mar Mari Emmanuel · A Discussion on one of the subjects of Glossa Ordinaria "Mary is the New Eve" · Not Strawmanning Opponents
- 20 and 21.IV.2024
- I was starting to collect the last posts I made
- without noticing it was already the 21st ...
- Bac + 5 ? Oui et non (FR) · Blackrock and Ukraine · Comment apprendre une poësie par cœur ? (FR) · Mar Mari said "how dare you?" · Anthony Stine, Bishop Fulton Sheen, Hilaire Belloc and Myself on the Endtimes · On Slavery · Excess Deaths (sharing) PLUS Another Story · Enveloppe trouvée (FR) · Au "spectateur impuissant" (FR)
- 22.IV.2024
- Le Hamas n'a pas fait son attaque de la Cisjordanie (FR) · Kim Iversen was overall pretty correct, wrong on some detail, though, Naftali Bennet was wrong · Angels, Hierarchies, Tradition, Resurrection · 130 Anathemas, Session VI, Justification · "Vakro" = Växjö, Damien ? (FR)
- 23.IV.2024
- Bonum Festum Sancti Georgii (LAT) · Avec bonne volonté, mon projet n'est pas irréalisable (FR) · Sharing on Candace Owens · Jeremy Sherman Rambles Without a Due Look on Ultimates · PC Language, Enslavers, Shrinks · Turek Ill-Informed on More than One Controversy Around S. C. "Apocrypha" · Two Language Related · Sharing: Satan Is 100% Afraid Of The Immaculate Virgin Mary · I Had a Dream : a Discussion About Human Skeleta
- 24.IV.2024
- With Jeremy Sherman PhD
- 25.IV.2024
- Heschmeyer on Marriage and Church, Sharing · Pour Jean des Cars ... (FR)
- 26.IV.2024
- Adam, Eve, and Early Humans (amp; More Weird Questions) - Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World — I listened and commented · Where is Jeremy Sherman from? · Two Bad Items of Theology · 4 Shocking Things in the Bible, that Didn't Shock Me ..... · Parmi mon lectorat, ou encore leurs amis, une portion ici me poursuit (FR) · "Pagans of Novgorod" · There Was a Time ... Social Networks were Stabler, and Internet Did Not Exist
- 27.IV.2024
- London Storm Pretends to be at least remotely serious (about the Flood) — Roughly First Half of Video · Too Much Psychiatry in Some Fascisms : Italy · Is AronRa Incapable of Distinguishing Carolus Linnæus from Ernst Haeckel?
- 28.IV.2024
- When the True God Revealed Himself (sharing) · Y a-t-il des Suédois qui poussent à me traiter de, soit toxicomane, soit fou ? (FR)
- 29.IV.2024
- Nope, Tolkien was not a warlock (nor a promoter of them) · Bible and Geocentrism · Protestants Don't Have the Council of Trent to Guide Them
- 30.IV.2024
- Prison and Psychiatry · Ineptitude of Introibo on Anthropology · Production Palm Sunday to End of April 2024
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